and the democrats have struggled with this in the past and ultimately bill clinton was able to rebrand and change the party's image and the republican party remains to be seen who our bill clinton will be. but at the current trajectory we're going to have a difficult time winning presidential elections for the future absent an ability to communicate in a more effective way with these groups. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you both very much and i want to thank both of you to come tonight. all of us in delaware are appreciative of your presence here. >> i know we've got to talk about the future but there are a few things we've got to get out in the public about the election. i want to ask each of you about whether there were oh s---moments in the course of the campaign. you were watching the first debate. how many minutes into that debate did it take you to threals this was an oh s moment? >> i figured you would go there ralph. i was talking to some of the students and for us in the barack obama experience we always have our moments of near death. so in a way this election was